Random Thought From Wheatgrinder

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wheatgrinder

So, I think the term "Indie cinema" is on the way out. Most folks I know don't know and Indie film when they see it, but they get lots of exposure to amateur youtoob video. As youtoob is nothing if not democratic, all content is equal, sure film fans and what nots will browse for videos based on ranking etc, but most big hits on youtoob are viral, word of mouth (or emouth such as crackbook, twatter, and myrape, er I mean faceboodk, twitter and myspace)

Which means that most the people on the net would divide the "movies" into two catagroies.. movies and internet video..

Which are you.. and internet video maker or a movie maker.. (indie has lost its destiction)

That's my random thought..
 
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Guilty as charged! Can't help but try to get exposure on u-toob... hoping for some miraculous production company to finance a full feature film... 8^( ...actually makes me sad to think about it... thanks alot!
Really it all started for me with my sons desire to start a "webshow". After the first "episode", done on cell-phones, I was hooked. Then progressed to a still camera in video mode. Now I'm oggleing prosumers on e-bay every day or so, like they are crack! I ... need ... my ... DRUG !!! And editing software... please someone put me out of my misery... just a little Vegas Pro? Maybe some Final Cut? Please? Anyone? Hmmmmm, maybe my family doesn't need to eat for the next month...
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wheatgrinder said:
Which are you.. and internet video maker or a movie maker.. (indie has lost its destiction)
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I'm an independent filmmaker (a dying or even dead breed) that uses the YouTube as a unpaid distribution outlet for short films, trailers, interviews, media clips, and other videos.


I agree that "indie" has lost any and all real meaning. Can you really compare a $600 camcorder horror film with a $16 million dollar "indie" that gets international distribution via a major studio with 7-10 name stars?

There is no name for the countless masses making movies, short and feature length today. There are no formal categories because they would all like to be referred to as "indie" because they think it makes them akin to Kevin Smith, Quentin Tarantino, and Robert Rodriguez.
 
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Im sure you do work with REAL film, but I think "film" is another term that is going the way of the "record."

The term Album is still with us, but Iv never heard my teenagers use the word "record" to describe a single or a collection of songs. They are just "songs" "MP3" seems to have been a song synonymy for a while, but I don't think it "stuck", I don't hear or read it very often.

I think "movie" is here to stay. Even after we have full immersion VR cinema plays in our living room, we will still call it a "movie" as it will always be apropos. Just as static representations will always be called "pictures" though they may NOT be photographs.

Video is a strange one.. people use "video" almost exclusively to talk about home made movies, including youtube, but I do hear "video" as in 'renting a video" however, as it is painfully clear to blockbuster "renting videos" is a dead end activity and people will just not do it anymore, at least in its current context.

This does seem to suggest a possible new characterization schema.. "video maker" or "movie maker" with appropriate adjectives to denote the level of "involvement"

or not:lol:
 
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I've been toying with telling people Amateur Filmmaker or just Filmmaker. Sometimes I tell I make short films. I certainly understand that "Indie" merely now may mean that a 15 million dollar film only gets 800 screens(Exclusive Engagement!) to start, as opposed to 2 thousand.

We all make films-it's whether we are making money off the films that seems to make the difference.



To those who use youtube and the like as free distribution, is the plan to put projects on there to get noticed, even if you don't get paid, with the idea that someone says "hey, I like your stuff, let's talk contract/ can I buy a hard copy version"? I've debated putting stuff on Youtube, but(and I'm ashamed to admit this) I guess I worry about people ripping copies from it-what is their security like?
 
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Its possible that that "filmmaker" might stick as the term of choice for people who make movies... and "video" or "movie" might be used to denote the level of "live action"..

Consider your reaction when you read these two lines..

"Hey look at this video of some kids playing a game."

"Hey watch this movie about kids playing a game."

very different content..


I guess no one asks "hey whats your home video about?" by nature of it being a home video we already assume we know what its about..

But we often ask "Hey, whats that new movie about?"

meh..
 
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I will still use the term film maker so long as film is accessible and used. I'm a firm believer in using film as opposed to digital video (granted I've only used DV, but that's for cost effective reasons). But if someone offered me the option of doing film or DV (regardless of cost) I would use film in a heartbeat.

But, as of now, I am a movie maker who happens to put his stuff on youtube. Why? Because it's a good, cheap way to advertise your movies.

The only problem is that there's so much crap out there that you really have to sift through it to find the diamond in the rough.

One thing I'm thinking about trying is making a fan video of something (the bigger the fan base the better) and posting it alongside my original shorts. I've been doing that with my fan fiction and linking my original fiction on fictionpress.com on my home page. So far, not so much results but then again I haven't been updating much of either.

And another thing is we, the second generation of indie film makers, need to help promote each other. This site does a good job of presenting our work, but very little of it gets noticed. Or if it does, few comment. Communities like this should be a promotional group in and of its own.
 
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Youtube and the like (Vimeo, revver, etc.) are great tools for carrying the media. Few of the intended viewers will find your content unless you tell them (coax, bump, trick...) where it's at. Using fan oriented or mainstream based material can be a good tool to lead viewers to your content, be it "film" or digital. Movies are movies whether they be home or otherwise. It's the intent and the popularity that changes them. I make movies. Talkies. Films. Videos. Indies. Whatever you will call it, it's what I make, and what I want others to enjoy with me. Keep up the good work fellow "makers"... there's an audience out there somewhere waiting for you. It just might not be as big as you (or should it be I) had dreamed.
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