lighting Help on underwater lighting?

So I'm creating a film that is shot primarily underwater in a pool and I'm still in the pre-production stage, but I'm intensely worried about underwater lighting. I know for a fact that capturing light is a shortcoming of underwater cameras, particularly the one I have. Any tips, suggestions? I could really use some suggestions on how to light an object well underwater and what lights I could use to do that, keeping in mind I'm on a very tight budget.

Cheers,
Aleks
 
Very tight budget, k.

Would need to know more about what you're actually setting up to shoot, though.

Without knowing any details, here's just a fun thing:

Mylar/mirror on the bottom of the pool/tub/whatever. You can shoot down, keeping cameras out of the water, and the reflective surfaces will be making use of the available light to illuminate upwards.

Aside from that... I've never put an electrical socket under water, and hope I never have to. :)
 
Ha, that's a neat trick! Thanks.

I'm shooting a girl underwater using a waterproof submersible camera. The pool is very slightly lit, but no amazingly so and this will be taking place at night. It's an indoor pool so there is artificial lighting from above, which should be reflected by using a mirror? I will definitely use that trick.

I was thinking of using a bunch of crayfish lures, but the light they give out is negligible and it probably wouldn't be of the right quality.
 
The reflective surface placed underwater seems to be the best alternative.

...keeping in mind I'm on a very tight budget.

This has nothing to do with you, Aleksandr, we're pretty much all in the same boat, but wouldn't it be nice if, JUST ONCE, someone asked a question here on the forum and then pointed out "...keeping in mind that I have an unlimited budget."

:)

Cheers!

-Charles
 
I agree that would be brilliant! Unfortunately I'm just a student living out of home.

One day.

Soon!

Just thinking about this briefly, one concern I would have is that if you're going to use ambient or artificial lighting from ABOVE the water (instead of in the water), you're going to have to deal with the diffusion and refraction caused by any ripples or waves on the surface. Those waves will be amplified if you reflect it back on the subject.

That may be a cool effect, or it might be something you can't live with. I dunno.
 
Hmm, that's true. I was wondering about the refractive quality I'd get using different lights. I am going on a pre-shoot experimental trip to see what kind of effects I get with different styles of lighting, submersed and above. I'll see how it goes and which effects I can work with.

On a lighter note, I've been able to coerce a fitness club into letting me book their pool for a few hours and they have a better lit pool than the one I was originally intending to use. Bonus!
 
Okay.

I've only done a little bit of underwater stuff, using a pool. It can be done, but there are some things that might trip you up:

#1: Make sure that ALL of your cast are strong swimmers. You mentioned that the whole piece takes place in the pool. Do not even bother casting anyone who cannot swim, trust me. This seems to go without saying, but I was 1AC on a feature where our last day was all underwater work. The lead actress did not know how to swim, which made the day rather, interesting.

#2: Source your underwater camera housing immediately so you can test it. Make sure that you know how to properly seal it, and that it is the right size to accommodate whatever camera you are using. Bear in mind that when you place a camera inside a sealed environment you have effectively created a small convection oven. The camera generates heat (some more than others) which has no place to go inside the sealed housing. This means you need to know how long before an overheat (if you are running something that runs hot) so you can pull the camera from the housing before that happens. On the shoot mentioned above, our RED MX lasted about 20 minutes before risking a shutdown inside the housing. Might have been better if production had gotten a proper housing, but I digress.

#3: It would be interesting to test a high-iso, relatively low noise camera underwater using only the pool's underwater lights and ambient from above the water. There's a possibility it could work, but water eats stops of light, crystal clear swimming pool water probably not more than a stop or so? Not certain on that. I'm sure there are lights that can be taken underwater, but ones that can AND are designed for film making are out of your budget range. A little creativity with waterproof, high-power flashlights perhaps? Otherwise we're on to:

#4: Lighting the water from above is fairly easy, looks very natural, and just requires a LOT of attention paid to safety. The LAST thing you want is for a 500w light to get kicked into a pool that contains your cast, your underwater camera op, and your lifeguard.

You DO plan on having a lifeguard on set and a car on standby with directions to the nearest medical facility, yes? I wouldn't consider doing an underwater shoot without them. Safety First. Which brings me to:

Any lights you use need to be OFF LIMITS to anyone who is not your lighting crew. NO ONE walks around them to reduce the risk of them being knocked over into the pool. These lights will be on stands pretty high in the air to achieve a fairly classic underwater look (rays of light from above). This means sandbags, lots of them. All cables and stingers should be dressed back away from the water and preferably taped down even if you are able to keep people from walking around them. A good grip crew will also be able to rig safety lines so that if a light does topple, it doesn't hit the water.

Finally #5: If your story actually takes place in a pool, then you are golden. If you are using the pool to simulate some other underwater location (lake, river, Atlantis, whatever) then have big sheets of black pond liner plastic (Visquine in the states, not sure what it might be called in Oz). This can be used to create inky blackness around your set that implies a much larger body of water than a pool.

The mirror idea is interesting, but in the event you find you need lights, you can pretty much use any you can get your hands on, but you have to use them very carefully and safely.
 
Awesome post, David!

The LAST thing you want is for a 500w light to get kicked into a pool that contains your cast, your underwater camera op, and your lifeguard.

Actually, the lamp wattage is irrelevant. If it's an A/C powered instrument, you DON'T want the sucker going in the water, period. I would recommend having someone posted next to each stand for safety.

BTW, I shot in a lake for my latest project. Used a Mole Junior 2K on full spot blasting down onto the talent. Looked cool.
 
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Alright, so a LOT of interesting and fairly vital feedback here. I certainly appreciate the help and suggests and I will most likely be making use of most if not all of them at some stage.

Cheers everyone,
Happy filming.
 
Awesome post, David!



Actually, the lamp wattage is irrelevant. If it's an A/C powered instrument, you DON'T want the sucker going in the water, period. I would recommend having someone posted next to each stand for safety.

BTW, I shot in a lake for my latest project. Used a Mole Junior 2K on full spot blasting down onto the talent. Looked cool.

Thanks, and very true. The number was just an example; AC + water == a very bad time. "And making movies is all about what? <blank faces in response> [nasaly voice], Having a Gooooood Tiimmee..." :lol:
 
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