Nothing condescending or deratory there. Can't imagine why I take such offense to your arrogant position of where my limits should be.
I never said you COULDN'T (which is a contraction for COULD NOT) succeed with your awesomely innovative plan to go with a four walling tour and video on demand before seeking distribution; what I have labored to communicate to you, a person with an obvious learning and/or reading disability, is that it is LESS LIKELY to succeed or yield a greater return on investment, at least in my own limited experience with several feature films in distribution already worldwide.
That's not condescension or being derogatory, it's mere sarcasm and regret aimed at the state of affair in Facebook distro platforms. It's nothing aimed at you or Wheatgrinder, it's directed at Facebook.
You shouldn't take every comment in the most negative light imaginable.
Thanks for stating that. Pretty much nailed it.
I know I said I wouldn’t be responding but I couldn’t resist myself. The irony of everyone’s positions in their posts is how many derogatory and attacking comments about me personally are being thrown around by a bunch of people accusing me of those exact positions.
Of course not. You are an attention hog, desperate to appear relevant. Even negative attention is better than being ignored, the way your movie is. Notice, no one is responding or writing about your movie, or letting the work speak for itself. They only have your posts. That's a shame. A real shame.
Hypocrisy its not just the ugly step sister of denial.
"Hello Kettle. This is the pot. You're black."
The last two posts by Sonny were filled with personal insults, derogatory comments and condescending tones written with the intention of instigating.
Can you point out to what is exactly a "personal insult"? Where have I stated anything about you personally? I don't know you. From what I've read, I don't imagine many people would want to know you. If you are in fact Kris Hubert, then I don't see that I could have an intelligent conversation with someone so blinded by first time filmmaker syndrome that nothing productive could possibly come from discourse with you.
I don’t give two shits if Sonny or anyone else agrees with my plan. From the beginning I have done nothing but attempt to show all of you there are other ways to do things not just the “right way” deemed and watched over by Sonny the gatekeeper.
Then why on earth would you make a post with my name in it, making wild unsubstantiated claims?
Because you're an attention hog that can't get people excited about his film, so he has to resort to these kind of crass pedantic measures to get anyone to notice him.
I believe half of the supporters of Sonnys derogatory positions are just simply based on blind loyalty and half reads of posts.
Or, they could read your posts and decide for themselves that your plan is neither innovative nor more likely to turn a profit, especially in the $1-$2 million dollar range from Universal of LionsGate. By the way, I notice you are now referring to the idea of turning them down as hypothetical, and yet you had also said deals were offered with your attorney present. Which is is? I'd like to clarify that if possible so that you can clear your good name of any accusations of lying or exaggeration.
Productive conversations with disagreeing parties do not include absolutes. Everything we are doing is fluid. Like one post said we are open to and asking for insight from anyone and anywhere and we use that info anyway we can to evolve and improve. Everything that Sonny types is filled with absolutes. Simple YOU CANT DO THAT or THAT’S NOT POSSIBLE. Maybe he didn’t flat out call me a “fool” and a “liar” but he did it every way a coward can without coming right out and saying it.
Yes, everything Sonnyboo writes like "more likely" or "most companies are not offering those kinds of numbers" and the like - so absolute. Can you show me where I have ever said "YOU CAN'T DO THAT or THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE"? Either in all caps or with proper punctuation?
You can't because I didn't. This entire animosity exists in your imagination.
Funny how you try to manipulate and use our own words against us from the video’s yet you leave out the actual truth. Yes we were all very disappointed by the lack of attendance AT RUTGERS!!!!! A major reason for that as one of the other people in the video mentions is because every show was bigger than the one before it until Rutgers where we had been lead to believe we had a ton of cast and crew support so it was very demoralizing.
It's such a horrible thing to use YOUR EXACT QUOTES WITH YOUR OWN VIDEOS, without changing a word. What a horribly and manipulative thing to do! I hate when people use my actual words, as opposed to some idiot who actually doesn't quote you correctly and puts in absolutes where they don't exist.... wait a second! I think I might have just read that above!
SIDENOTE – Sonny aka Mr. Industry from Columbus you continue to show YOUR arrogance that what you know and feel is in fact the ruling way things should be. NO ONE gives a shit your disgusted by our use of Eminem and Pink in the video.
Actually the artists not being compensated by the use of their music and their subsequent publishing companies via ASCAP and BMI might give a hoot....
IF you knew ANYTHING about the actual Hollywood industry going on thousands of miles from you someone would have been kind enough to tell you….THATS THE WAY ITS DONE!!!!
When ACTUALLY pitching something like say a Reality Show to say REAL PRODUCERS they WANT AND DEMAND popular music in the sizzle reel. Oh and as long as your not making a profit off the video you can most certainly use it.
Uh, you do realize that in real TV shows, they get the rights and clearances for the music, right? They want that paid for and legally cleared for broadcast. I hate having to deal with complete amateurs...
Oh and as long as your not making a profit off the video you can most certainly use it.
If you would like I can have my entertainment attorney contact you directly and advise you of these opportunities.
If you had ever spoken to an attorney EVER about IP laws (that's intellectual property for the newbs and beginners wanting to learn what is and isn't legal), then you would know this statement is an absolute FALSE. We'll see how long your sizzle reel lasts when the owners of the music are made aware of it's usage on YouTube without permission.
Please, have your attorney contact me about the use of copyrighted music without permission, with or without profit. Ross @ sonnyboo . com PLEASE have have your attorney contact me. I beg you. Don't be a coward and back off of this. HAVE THEM EMAIL ME or call.
1. The ONLY reason all the confessionals are positive is because we have yet to get a SINGLE bad one. I have the video from the Q&As where I beg and encourage ANYONE that didn’t like the film to please say that to the camera. I want to show some bad confessionals so people like you can’t play that card. Unfortunately I’m not going to make bad ones up just to appease you. So I APOLOGY there is no documented case of displeasure.
It's "Apologize" in that context because it's a verb (an "action word" if you will), not "APOLOGY" because that is a noun.
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2. Critics and random people LOVE our movie and even more so our PLAN
If you honestly believe that every single person who sees your movie like it without exception, then you are proving my point about "First Time Filmmaker Syndrome". Way to live the stereotype.
1. With marketing our idea and plan WILL work
2. Critics and random people LOVE our movie and even more so our PLAN
Then, why not wait until you have some sales numbers and serious critical and audience acclaim, and THEN write back about how wrong I am? Right now, you're still proving nothing, making an ass of yourself, and then IF (as I don't believe in many absolutes) you fail, it will be less humiliating.
Our true marketing plan projects more than 60 MILLION IMPRESSIONS ( I CAN PROVE THIS IS HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE) for a total budget of 200k and that doesn't include a SINGLE bit of return from the publicists work.
Based on the profit rate from Flick Launch To turn a profit on our budget and marketing plan off NOTHING MORE THAN VOD we would need 100,000 views. That equates to less than .16% of those 60 million impressions watching the movie.
I don't need arrogance or insanity, i have FLAT OUT NUMBERS to back my position. Thanks to our tour I now have confessionals, reviews and RESULTS to back that position on a MUCH bigger scale. The mini tour you think and imply was a total failure endeared us to fans and won over investors. The result??
Uh, no you don't. You have hypothetical numbers. You have no $$$ from VOD. You haven't sold any DVD's. You have had a few mediocre screenings that yielded no profit. If your goal is to prove to the newbs and beginners how to lose money, then I agree you are a rousing success!
A tour bus wrapped in an ad for the release date starting in Buffalo and doing 34 shows in 34 cities while completing an entire lap around the country in 90 days giving away free PROMOTED screenings.
So what do you think Sonny you think a few reputable news outlets might cover something like that?
Maybe. I will ask you what a journalist asked me when I did something very similar. Why should they write about your movie? How does this appeal to the local people and media? What is your human interest angle and hook? You need something more substantial than a free screening and a bus.
2. Same with the reviews, I put a link to my favorite not the only one. If YOU want to do the research to support YOUR position than DO IT. There are tons of them out there, good luck again finding a bad one. Feel free to visit
www.hauntcast.com for the newest one. But the childish excuse of its some over seas tiny horror website is just sad.
YOU posted the link. Supposedly this was evidence of some "success" on your part. This was some sort of “evidence” that “you did it”. If you have other reviews or other evidence of critical success, it's up to you to post it. I don't really care what you do or don't get for press.
Has ANYONE overseas written about you projects?
Yes. Several. You already have the links to all of my press, both as a filmmaker and for specific feature films. Again, laziness on your part (or intentionally pretending it doesn't exist).
3. The lack of publicity is just another LAZY attempt to attack. Google the film! We have had more than 100 articles, interviews, reviews and coverage around the world and we have more coming out everyday. Sorry Sonny you couldn’t do that on your own for “Snow Zombies” Seems from MY PERSONAL experiences if your film is good enough, everyone you contact will want to cover it. Funny thing is that’s exactly what we based our marketing plan on and its working.
Let's see how well that "if your film is good enough, they'll contact you" works for your screenings. Ask the students are Rutgers how that worked out for you.
That's not a personal insult, although you will take it as such. It is constructive criticism.
4. Funny how someone holds the 2,000 facebook fans as a derogatory number considering I have looked up the past 20 films currently being distributed by companies that have approached US, and not one of them had over 1,000.
And yet it's only 2% of YOUR goal. I didn't set the target at 1,000,000 - you guys did. You don't seem to be getting anywhere near the numbers you wanted. That must be soul crushingly disappointing to set the bar so high and not even get to 10% within a few months of the deadline.
5. For the interested person that asked to know more about the facebook platform. Its called Flick Launch and the owners name is Craig he is a great guy and strangely eager to help me prove exactly what I have been trying to scream over Sonny - VOD is not a someday weapon to indie filmmakers IT IS TODAY AND NOW, tomorrow all the skeptical Sonny’s will be doing it.
Yes, the "skeptics" like Sonnyboo who said....
VOD is a growing business model, but it isn't making any filmmakers a ton of money yet. I do believe that GRATWICK is correct that in the future VOD will be the place where filmmakers can make up a lot of profit, but that is still several years away. Gareth Edwards did it with MONSTERS, releasing it on VOD before a theatrical run in several countries. MONSTERS still made the majority of its money from the traditional DVD/Blu Ray release and rentals.
Again, perhaps there is some sort of tax rebate for your public or private education. Is it possible to investigate the recourse your parents might have? You don't seem to be able to read cohorent sentences.
3. I'm not the least bit surprised you would base your gossip and opinions on who a person really is from an online forum. Very narrow minded and judgemental much like your objections to me and my blastfamous plans.
First off, it's "Blasphemous", not BLAST. I don't want to be a teacher, but your spelling and grammar are so horrendous, I feel like finding your elementary school and burning it to the ground. Also, no one has ever referred to it as blasphemous or wrong. Just not as likely to succeed by the hypothetical-or-sometimes-real-depending-on-the-moment-$1-$2 million-"tops"-distribution from Lionsgate or Universal. Where DO you stand on that topic by the way? Was it solely hypothetical? Were there actual deals put on the table in front of you as you at one point said or not?
Secondly, why is it so hard to imagine people taking the direct things you write or say in videos as a bad way to base their opinions on you?
You can look at some of their comments with whatever rose colored glasses you so choose but I won't wear them.
What about the "batshit-crazy-flying-off-the-handle-taking-things-personal-that-aren't" glasses? Have you considered taking those off?
I HAVE A CHALLENGE FOR YOU SONNY.
Seeing how you’re so desperate to continue to try and shove in my face the lack of profits we’ve made for a film you have been repeatedly told will not be released till October 1st I ask you give me the same opportunity to talk to you from that type of position.
I challenge you Sonny to a filmmaker debate about distribution held LIVE on ustream or any other host site that works for you ONE WEEK after my film is released on October 1st. Im challenging you NOW before a ton of people watch it and I look like I’m trying to stick it to you.
Right now whether I succeed or fail I will show my face online live and face the music, will YOU??
I honestly do not care enough about you or your movie. You are posting on a forum I have been a member of for 8 years, making threads and posts with my name on it. I am mildly amused by your antics, but they are wearing thin. Mostly due to the fact that it is getting more and more transparent that this is solely motivated by attention you are seeking. It's really kind of pathetic that you cannot let the work speak for itself, nor can you let your "success", as subjective as that may be, be the answers to the critics of your plan.
Stop wasting everyone's time. Come back after you have either succeeded or failed or simply post more of your videos about the journey getting to where you wind up. I will derive no pleasure IF (again, no absolutes from me) your movie fails or at least does not live up to your own goals. It has no affect on me either way. I am not jealous of other people’s successes and it does not make me feel better when others fail.
My sole interests lie in the fact that you keep writing to me here and you are nothing but a case study for an article you inspired that I am writing for Moviemaker Magazine. If you weren't lazy you would have already known I write for them and Videomaker Magazine as well as a freelance contributor for many online sites and print mags.
