Does anyone know of any good analog tape recorders with timecode compatibility? (This is to match the audio to the video in Telecine for a 16mm-shot film)
Analog Tape Recorders with Timecode compatibility
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You'll need to locate an old Nagra reel-to-reel made in 1984 or later. But you can use a digital audio recorder to work with real film.
What digital audio recorder (and with what microphone) would you recommend for this (to go through Telecine and to be edited and synced on Final Cut Pro)? Regardless of budget.
There are a plethora of Nagra's for sale at any given time on ebay.
Regardless of cost?
Sound Devices 702T - $2,600
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...evices_702T_702T_High_Resolution_Compact.html
This unit is a recorder only, you will need a mixer to go with it such as:
Sound Devices 302 - $1,600
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292980-REG/Sound_Devices_302_302_Portable_3_Channel.html
Sound Devices is an industry standard.
If you need more than two (2) channels there are bigger Sound Devices recorders and mixers, and you can also look into Nagra (with TC $4,000 and up) and Zaxcom Deva ($4,000 and way up) recorders and mixers by Sonosax, Wendt, Zaxcom Sound Devices and PSC, $2,000 and way up.
There are also some very nice integrated mixer/recorder units out now, starting at about $3,000.
For a "cheap" mixer/recorder with TC you may want to look at the Tascam HD-P2.
What you really should be doing is hiring someone who already has TC audio mixing/recording production sound gear.
Sound Devices 702T - $2,600
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...evices_702T_702T_High_Resolution_Compact.html
This unit is a recorder only, you will need a mixer to go with it such as:
Sound Devices 302 - $1,600
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292980-REG/Sound_Devices_302_302_Portable_3_Channel.html
Sound Devices is an industry standard.
If you need more than two (2) channels there are bigger Sound Devices recorders and mixers, and you can also look into Nagra (with TC $4,000 and up) and Zaxcom Deva ($4,000 and way up) recorders and mixers by Sonosax, Wendt, Zaxcom Sound Devices and PSC, $2,000 and way up.
There are also some very nice integrated mixer/recorder units out now, starting at about $3,000.
For a "cheap" mixer/recorder with TC you may want to look at the Tascam HD-P2.
What you really should be doing is hiring someone who already has TC audio mixing/recording production sound gear.
BTW, if this is for audio post, the edited film is probably already in a digital format, so you do the audio post in Pro Tools or other DAW, then match the final mix up to the Telecine. If all the conversions were done properly there shouldn't be too many issues. APE probably has much more experience with this than I do.
Yes, and the TC compatible units are still in the $1,500 and up price range.
Analog (reel-to-reel) Nagras are still highly prized and used quite often by sound effects people for recording weapons and other loud sounds due to the natural tape compression, a very few still use it on set.
The first and most obvious consideration is that unless your 16mm camera also has the ability to sync it's internal crystal to time-code then you're probably not going to get the audio to sync to the video in Telecine!
Assuming that your camera can sync, I would agree that a digital TC recorder is the way to go. There's no one correct workflow however, the workflow would depend on various factors: For example if the final output (after picture editing/audio post) is going back to 16mm film, DCP or to video and, what intermediate format (frame rate) is being used. If for example, 16mm film to a video intermediate (for editing) is being used then the production sound would often be recorded at a pull-up rate (48,048kHz) so it can be pulled-down to video speed along with the film during telecine. This whole area of workflows and timecode can be a bit of a minefield for the uninitiated film maker and the equipment required is, as mentioned, quite expensive. I would strongly advise you to get an experienced PSM who would already have the required equipment and more importantly would know how to use it so that you end up with sync'ed usable production sound!
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