If you were given a choice of up front pay or a percentage which would you choose?I pay for cost of utilities/gas/equipment/building materials/shipment of packages upfront, but I ask for a receipt. My promise is deferred pay, based on crowdfuding. It's a gamble, sure, but the people who jump on board understand that gamble, and also seem to understand I am not trying to swindle anyone.
And that’s just it. Two entirely different worlds.Well, I'm coming from a different perspective I guess. If you are working with all seasoned pros, upfront payment is what they like.
If you are working with people who are interested and passionate about furthering their portfolio or starting in film-making, you can get away with points/percentage.
The producer (and especially Executive Producer) are the ones who should take the risk. It’s not the crew’s responsibility to make that gamble. That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.My promise is deferred pay, based on crowdfuding. It's a gamble, sure, but the people who jump on board understand that gamble, and also seem to understand I am not trying to swindle anyone.
Instead of the risk all being on the Producer or Office, it rides on the entire crew of the film.
That's the difference.After 25+ years of honing my skills and building/updating my kit, “exposure” won’t even cover my costs.
Right now, I'm not at the level where I expect anything but opportunities. I don't take any money from my work, because I am not at that level yet. I'm working and grinding, with the hope that the work will eventually be a means to an end. Passion projects over sustainability. I have a day job, and I use my personal cash from that job to fund my films.If you were given a choice of up front pay or a percentage which would you choose?
I understand your perspective. And I understand that neither option is betterRight now, I'm not at the level where I expect anything but opportunities. I don't take any money from my work, because I am not at that level yet.
No, I didn’t start with a day rate. I started with an hourly wage and a part-time position at a local TV station. That quickly turned into a full-time position. I served my time in local TV before moving on to bigger, better productions and eventually freelance work.Did you actually start out with a day rate? Not trying to disrespect, just honestly considering how anyone really shifts from the beginner phase to the paid phase.
In my experience, this is rare-to-nonexistent. The just-getting-their-feet-wet kids lowball the market, take clients who used to pay decent budgets, turn in low-quality work, and teach the client that there’s a cheaper way (at which point they stop paying attention to quality).This could even be turned the other way, where a person gets charged a crazy amount by a Cinematographer who is just getting their feet wet. Isn't the person hiring the one being swindled then?
That’s entirely dependent on how one makes a living.I think the film, if done well and done with passion, outweighs the potential money profit anyway.
I've worked for $50/day in the past because that's all the production could afford. I often find the projects that offer some kind of deferred payment promise in lieu of any actual money can be the hardest to work on.In the end, it really boils down to valuing your crew. Even if it’s a very low day rate, it’s a day rate.
I guess what I'm trying in my own project is both methods. I pay an upfront payment for supplies/gas/food/materials. THAT to me is a payment. Especially since I am fronting the cost myself. When people get to work for little to no cost, that is the best method in my mind for a low budget/passion project.There are many valid POV's. The original questions is an excellent one; which
method would you prefer?