TV Pilot Crowdfunding

Okay! I said I would post more detail. No time like the present.

I've had an idea for a television series kicking around for several years now. In fact it's based on an idea I had when I was about 18 years old, and I am a bit older than that now. :b It has a horror theme, loosely, but far removed from my teeny version as that was an all-out gothy thing. The 2012 version just has gothy aspects. The emphasis is on the characters. I like having strong characters. Good plots are great but if you don't give a damn about the characters who cares?

So I envisaged it as a half-hour format. You might call it sitcom format, but think Spaced rather than Men Behaving Badly, etc. I have no (creative) interest in playing with the latter format. It has comedy but also has an amount of dramatic content. Not too much. It isn't heavy. Audience would prolly be 18-40 age bracket roughly speaking, I guess.

I have the five episodes of series one plotted and part-scripted in rough notes form, and a third draft, almost-finished script for ep one. I have ideas on some of the casting, suitable theme song, a basic design for a logo, etc.

Do I believe in it? 1000%. IF it was made, IF it found its audience, I believe it'd go down great. Realistically I'm thinking one of the smaller UK channels is where it could end up, best-case- scenario. That's fine. When I say I think it'd go down great, I mean in a semi-cult kind of way, not a Bigger-Than-Jesus way. I get enthusiastic sometimes but I try to avoid being outright delusional. :)

Well.............................

Slush piles. They suck. And someone with a bit of wisdom once said to me, "Show, don't tell!"

So the idea in my head for some time now is to consider independently funding a pilot episode. That's surely the best possible way to 'show' rather than 'tell' in this medium -- if you can make it happen, anyway. A sample show that has all the qualities you hope for, there in moving pictures, trumps any amount of hyperbolic jabber. And festivals, art houses, etc, are possible venues for public screenings. I know a couple-three venues where I think showings would be very feasible. I have contacts.

What was mentioned in another thread is a chicken-and-egg thing. Part of me says, stick to your guns on this and just shoot high as I can and see what happens. To wit, wanting two (moderately, mildly) known actors to play the two leads. The first reason for wanting them is nothing more than their being absoultely perfect -- one in particular, bearing a distressingly uncanny resemblance to the character as depicted in sketches, etc. I mean so good that it's almost freaky. And she was not in my mind, nor in the mind of the person I've worked with on some of this material. It's just a strange lightning strike that hit me probably 18 months ago, seeing her in something.

As I said elsewhere, I believe at least one of these actors (the one mentioned) has some sympathy and interest in independent projects. That might be a good thing. Who knows?

If they liked the idea, I have no concept of what their fee would be. That's an obstacle re funding budget in any case. Unless I find this out first. I have little practical experience on film-making front, just to be clear, but I do consider myself imaginative and resourceful. I am quite confident about my control over expenses and getting something out of very little. But a cheapjack production isn't an option. Even if £25 is spent on the FX budget (there would be a couple of FX-based moments), it'd have to look good enough to be shown on the box. Digital HD, I suppose.

I have a rough speculative budget. I think it could be done for about £10,000. I'm making a wild guess about acting fees. And, for instance, one location would be the lounge of a flat, and I have a friend in London whose pad would do just fine. (He doesn't know it yet, so don't quote me!) So that, for one thing, is a low-expense aspect. I know someone who I believe would be very capable of handling a couple of practical FX to a pretty good standard. I have a few others who'd pitch in as crew variously.

What I don't have is: two camera people, a sound person and a video editor. These, at minimum, are essential. I've discussed this with a writer/director friend in LA who has appraised my overall ideas as basically sound -- he offered a few other terrific pointers. He is ostensibly Associate Producer. Not that he can do much 3,000 miles away, but his input is highly valued, plus his name does no harm at all. I'm hoping, anyway, such people are findable on the grapevine. Conceivably we also need a CGI person. If the theoretical video editor also happened to be good with this, great. But the first step, outside of writing a standalone pilot script (which is partly done as I type this), is finding a theoretical crew as above.

After that... well, the dilemma of approaching actors before or after funding. I see the logic in after. I really do. But raising 10k without the extra publicity they'd help to attract seems quite a tall order. With them, I genuinely believe it's possible. Obviously there is the hurdle of them loving or hating the script anyway...

Sorry for being so long-winded! This is a scary thing in a way. I can blow hot and cold on whether to attack it head-on. I have about four other projects I want to do, but this is the big one. It can fail big-time or it can be a big deal. Finding people who GET the thing is really important. For instance I talked with a camera guy some months ago, and basically after reading the script he clearly had no interest... chiefly because it wasn't balls-to-the-wall horror. As a horror fan himself, he pitched ideas at me that would've made it more in line with that approach and I couldn't accept them... I can't/won't bastardise the idea for the sake of spectacle. So that was the end of that. People have to click with it, or not. There isn't a single drop of blood spilled in this show. That should tell you a lot.

Enough said for now. Apologies again, for length!!
 
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:lol: Jusss playyyin'

Seriously, tho... sounds like you're big on this idea but short on actually producing a product.

Consider making several "scene tests", a couple or three or four minutes each with some inexpensive available assets - before going headlong into a heady proof-of-concept pilot.


From the above the only meat I've got is "Half hour TV series, horror comedy, teen goths."
What UK channel or programmer would carry that? (That's not a cynical, ugly tone. It's a "Who are you targeting to pick up this show?" question.)
 
No, to be clear, it isn't a teen idea. It *was* when the idea germinated because that's what I was at the time. One of the two main characters is somewhat a goth and they're mid-20s, although the actors in mind are early 30s but this doesn't strike me as a problem. So, target... well the sort of people who watched Spaced would probably like it. I'm not saying it's a clone of that -- the tone and themes are entirely different. But style-wise, I see it along those lines. I'm being a bit coy on specifics at the moment, I know. The trouble is that people hearing the premise tend to say 'Being Human'. The horror aspect does it. In fact one terrific counter-argument of premise/script pitch someone gave me was, companies will think it's a swipe of that. (Even though it predates it by years!) That supported the 'show don't tell' approach for me, as the resemblance is on paper only... in practice, they're not alike at all. Obviously I think my idea is better. :b But I would say that. It's like, say if there's a werewolf in it (no comment) -- that's profoundly lacking in originality but to my mind, the difference is in how you get there. I think the characters would sell it. 100%. I'm pretty confident that an actual product would sell it. Getting there is the mountain.

I do have a series of ten-minute shorts in mind too (different concept altogether), which could be made on a near-zero budget. I don't have a cast in this instance even in theory. But I'd like to make those sometime regardless. Also some short video promos for a new publisher Website are planned -- potentially useful experience, anyhow.
 
Oh... well a channel like BBC Three would fit the show quite well -- but they have the BH thing so whether the horror theme would be a put-off, I don't know. I'm not pinning myself to A channel. I'd want to get as many showings as possble of it and any & all publicity it's worth and then say, this property is available, a first series is written, etc. Several possibles would get promo material inc obviously the pilot itself. It's a gamble, but if we actually get that far, worst-case scenario is we have a nice half-hour movie to be proud of.
 
I should add, peripherally related... do have a fairly well-known celebrity (American but UK resident) who agreed to shoot a short promo clip related to this project. For the official Website. A mock-documentary clip kind of thing. I'd probably get him to add a soundbite for the Indie GoGo pitch vid too. So I'm going into this knowing I can get *some* name value. Fee waived until it becomes an actual prospect (the clip would also have a place in the second episode of series proper; which ensures he get a payment if it actually happens).
 
The biggest problem with trying to fund a TV pilot is not being able to realisticallyraise enough money to make a quality film.

Your chances will be better if you have other financial sources to draw on to supplement or fully fund your venture.
 
I wish other funding were possible, but not presently. This is why the effort kind of pins itself on getting those two actors (or at least one of them), which I know a lot of people will think unlikely. But there's no dishonour in trying, I figure. Private funding also something I'd be open to... but obviously funders can't expect much if any return. An arts-loving millionaire would be handy! :) But it's something I want to at least say I tried. I've twiddled with the thing for some time now. Reactively I want to shoot for the stars and either hit them or say I made a respectable attempt.
 
And one thing else I should've said: if anyone is interested in any sort of potential involvement (UK only) -- although the pilot script itself is unfinished, I do have a fairly polished 3.5 draft episode one proper script available for viewing, praise, gratuitous criticism, etc! Consider this, importantly or not: it's a female-driven show. That's one thing I could've mentioned before. Amongst genre material from this side of the pond I think that's more or a less a USP.
 
A sort of goth-y version of Spaced? Being Human with a sense of humor? Female driven horror themed comedy? You've got me sold on all points! Can't help too much with getting it off the ground (I'm a music guy, not a production guy), but if you've got a name actor who wants to help you out, that can go a LONG way. Use that connection as best as you can!

Do some reading on the creation of the tv show Sanctuary. Essentially, they did a webseries with a small name actor (Amanda Tapping, who has been in a ton of things, but far from an A-lister) and a unique twist (all-greenscreen sets...and the webseries looked as low-budgety as you'd expect). They managed to get fairly popular for what they were, and ended up on the SyFy network, the first episodes reworking the webseries stuff. That approach might work for you, if you can get the actor (or two!) interested in going that far with you.

Best of luck, and definitely interested in seeing it!
 
Thanks for that. PM me your e-mail if you wanna look at script -- I'm always interested in feedback anyway (good or bad) (I do prefer good, though!). A lot of people find it hard to slog through film scripts so I only know a handful of people who actually read it so far.
 
Sounds like you have the passion that just might get this done. I don't know much about selling in the UK, but I know that here in Hollywood, there are no rules about selling a show. That's because everything depends on who you're selling to. Some people might love it on concept alone. Some people might love your script. Some might people might need your script and access to your past work. Some people might need a sizzler. Some people might want a filmed scene. Some people might want a proof-of-concept. And some people might want a full blown pilot.

I may have missed something but you didn't quite identify the visual activity of your show, did you? Is it talking heads? Do you have effects? Stunts? Car chases? Foot chases? Fantastic sets? Road trips? All of these factors will affect your budget.

If your show is primarily dialogue driven, then I think 10,000 pounds is very doable. Shoot on a high-end HD camera and don't attempt a full pilot. Whatever finished product you show the execs has too be amazing. Keep in mind, the longer it is, the better it has to be!

  • Sizzler. This is you stitching together other people's footage from other pre-existing material that you don't own. You add your own VO and title cards and music and you bastardize a fake trailer, a visual Frankenstein, if you will. This is cheap. And this only works if your concept is off the charts!
  • Scene. If you choose to do just one scene, make sure it's got your very best visuals. Don't just have two people talking to each other. Choose a scene where something happens, where tension is built. If you're not gonna spill blood, then you better mess with our minds, right? You better twist our psyches to pieces. Make sure your ONE scene has that impact.... if you're just gonna show one scene.
  • Proof of Concept. This can be anything from 2 minutes to 10 minutes. You're whetting their appetite. Your showing how the show would look without completing the sentence. It's like a phrase -- the POC. I think your 10,000 pound budget can maybe get 10 minutes done. Maybe. Does your star actor have star level demands? Here in LA you have to be cautious of costs like trailer rentals and legal fees and requested hair stylists and so forth. But if your star actor is cool with doing guerrilla filming, you can save OODLES of money.
  • Full Pilot. You'd be talking about 22 minutes of story, right? That's a lot to do on 10,000 bucks. Not knowing too much about your details, I'd say you probably should avoid trying to cover all 22 minutes. Don't do a full pilot.



I'm sure you probably already know this but the key to selling a TV show is to describe a concept that organically gets our main characters embroiled in an epic struggle each week. Week after week. Does your show have that? The fact that you have a name actor on board is a HUGE asset. Write or rewrite the best possible part for this actor and treat him/her like platinum gold. On top of that, really make sure your central concept is killer. A one sentence log line that absolutely gets everyone's attention. Simple and stunning.

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Thanks, that's very useful and constructive.

I'll rundown what is in ep one script (not pilot, which as I said is incomplete right now), to give an idea of how an ep might play out. Bear in mind ep one is the most sedate as we're getting to know the characters. Even so...

Number of scenes: 7
Number of locations: 6 (bar, flat, diner, street, park, street 2)

FX
SC1: two FX -- one CGI animation, one practical (mask)
SC5: one CGI transformation
SC6: quick shots of beastie at night (teeth, eyes), practical

ACTION
SC1: someone runs for door of bar in a panic
SC2: mostly talking heads
SC3: mostly chatter
SC4: interlude, one character walking down street on fone
SC5: three-minute montage with music playing over various antics (play-fighting, dancing, etc); a chase scene in a park; a flying karate kick that ends badly (for the kicker!)
SC6: walking down street; kids spotting beast in bushes a la FX above
SC7: an audio-visual Psycho homage/gag

So even though there's a lot of talk, there's a fair bit of movement too. But not big-budget motion. No vehicles or technology involved, etc.

The show would be 30 minutes (if on a commercial channel it would be 24; some flab such as montage can be trimmed to fit better). Locations luckily are not extravagant. Pilot will be written in a budget-conscious frame. At least two (maybe three) scenes would be in the flat and, as I said, I can get that for nothing with some sweet-talking & we can make it look roughly 'right' with a bit of easy tweaking. I actually made a floor-plan of the 'real' flat but getting it totally right can wait till a proper budget comes along. A flat's a flat.

What I have right now is a celebrity who's willing to shoot a bit of promo. No actors. The actors I have in mind aren't A-listers but known enough to ensure much more expansive publicity than we'd be able to muster otherwise. So obviously I want them to LOVE it. That's almost the biggest hurdle in a way. Well one hook is, they carry the show, perhaps in a way they haven't done before, and the characters are pretty quirky, I think it's fair to say -- they do a few things you don't generally see much... and it's female-driven -- the main support (3rd character) is also female (not seen till ep two) -- and speaking of Being Human, seeing as the main female in that was hopelessly effete for most of the run, this show gets a few big points right there. The personalities are quite BIG, even if the one lead is kinda dizzy. It's a bit camp, I guess (in the true sense). It's slightly over the edge of naturalistic but not irredeemably. I believe it in quite a lot. Persuading other people is the rabbit out of the hat.
 
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