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Some Bedtime Reading

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I posted the script of The Flight of the Flamingo here a couple of months before we started filming, and received some invaluable feedback.

Well, here's another script!

It's about 100 pages long, so I don't expect lots of people to get through the whole thing. But I would appreciate some feedback on how it's reading. It's very much a first draft, so it'd be good to know what people make of the characters, tone, plot...etc.

LOGLINE: At the opening of his debut play, a young playwright reencounters the girl who inspired his work, forcing him to explore how their relationship, and its demise, ended up on the stage.

It's a romantic sort-of-dramedy that should be quite a fun read.

Here it is: Heavy Lifting

Thanks in advance :)

EDIT: Just reopened it and noticed there's a stray apostrophe in word No.3- would edit it but probably not worth it at this point, I promise the grammar and punctuation is gooder threw out;
 
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I've saved this to my phone, to read more as-and-when I get chance. So far, I've read up to the title (pg.8). The dialogue is good, it's interesting. The two characters play well of each other, in a very realistic way. Good work.

That's all I got so far. I'll let you know when I get round to reading some more.
 
Definitely reading this, Nick. I'm pretty much where mad hatter is and feeling the same way. You're a strong dialogue writer and that's nice. Definitely liked the opening. You hooked me there. Definitely easy to imagine the film opening very nicely with that. Will report in again once I've read the whole thing. =)
 
Cheers guys :)

I'm already starting to think about things that I can change and expand for the 2nd draft, but I guess I should wait for some outside feedback first! I really appreciated Richy and mad_hatter's feedback on FOTF (hence the reason you both got a special thanks credit) so I'm really grateful for you having a read again. And baoliun, nice to have a fellow Londoner read!
 
I'm afraid I really don't have any constructive advice to offer.

I thorougly enjoyed it.

Page 48. I think 'lying' should be 'laying.'

I'm not recommending that you change or address this. This is not really advice or a suggestion to change anything. It's more like thinking out loud. Something that's kind of rumbling around in my mind has to do with the breakup. I also happen to think that it might be perfect the way it is.

Why Alexa is unhappy enough to end the relationship, I'm guessing, is expressed by Fran when she complains that she doesn't like the changes in Alexa since her getting involved with Jay and that she's compromising herself too much while Jay isn't making his fair share of comprises etc. So, since no conflict is ever really portrayed between the two lovebirds regarding the relationship's status, I infer that she's unhappy because Fran is correct, or Alexa comes to feel that Fran is correct --she feels subsumed by the relationship, into Jay. Is that it?

Does it matter whether we know or not? If not, then almost certainly it's perfect they way it is. Would it help, or would it diminish the script, as is, if perhaps there was maybe a little more exposition, or perhaps some dialogue, a conversation, an illustration of whatever the problem for Alexa is? On the other hand, without these things being spelled out more clearly, it may be more natural, more organic, so to speak, as is, because, after all, relationships ending is perfectly natural, and maybe we do not, should not, have all the blanks filled in. That might suit this story best.

Like I said, I have nothing really constructive. I'm just thinking out loud after just finishing the read, and without much distance from it.

I quite like the sandwiching of the story between the performance of the play.

I laughed and was amused many times throughout the reading.

There are many things that I like, but a couple turns have to be singled out:

Use your experience without using your personality.

Bam. Huh? Not sure I understand or agree with it, but I really like it. Very nice.

When I was your age, I wanted to be a famous sad artist.

Nice. Me likes.

Very nice work, as usual. =)
 
Ok, so I've hit page 38 now. I'd ought to give a little more feedback....

So far, there's been a lot of dialogue. It's not such a bad thing, as your dialogue is very sharp and witty. There's some nice comedic touches in there. But, at this point, there's not been much of a plot. It's very much boy-meets-girl.... and that's it. I can't judge just yet, as I don't know what comes next, but this may be a bit of a slow start for some.

I'll let you know when I get a bit further.
 
Hi Nick! Quite a few Londoners in here :p If you ever want to meet up IRL or need help with your projects,I am always up for that.

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I am going to comment as I go along about the little details and once finished I will chip in about the overall structure. As for now, it has quite a bit of humour/irony so I hope it will end quite tragically (lol).

1. " Can I buy you a drink? Or are you too busy?"

I don't see any reason why not to "cut" straight to them drinking in the bar, skipping the unnecessary barman and mundane procedures. Why Scottish accent? What does barman do in the scene except for bringing the drinks?

2. "She blushes"

I don't think people nowadays even know what is that supposed to mean.

3. "Jay frowns slightly, remembering something someone once said to him. "

Not exactly sure what did you want to achieve with this, but it sounds sketchy.

4. The Library scene

I loved the irony !!! Brilliant! One aspect of it though I believe can be improved.

What are these words coming from Jay's mouth?

JAY
We’re annoying that girl. She’s
been sniffing away all morning like
an allergic pug, but no, that’s
fine. Be annoyed at us.


Correct, exposition!

Viewer/reader knows that she has been sniffing, Jay knows that as well.
Viewer/reader gets the irony without Jay explaining it. The only lever is Alexa, so let's heighten the irony with her help.

If the sniffling girl says smth like:
"Could you pls be quite? People are studying here,you know?"

Alexa, thinks it is a reasonable comment, because obv she doesn't know girl is sniffling all the time. She could say let's go to the side.

Jay would be speechless and pissed off. Alexa could misunderstand that, think he doesn't want to see her or w/e, your books are more important to you than me, bla
bla. Girls stuff....

I obv go off track here as usual, but I hope you get the drift :P
It gives you more defined emotions and more options on where to go with the scene.

And the ending will be even more brilliant with that sniff.

I would suggest reading a wordplay column on Dramatic Irony!


Good luck, I am looking forward to finishing it!:P
 
Why Alexa is unhappy enough to end the relationship, I'm guessing, is expressed by Fran when she complains that she doesn't like the changes in Alexa since her getting involved with Jay and that she's compromising herself too much while Jay isn't making his fair share of comprises etc. So, since no conflict is ever really portrayed between the two lovebirds regarding the relationship's status, I infer that she's unhappy because Fran is correct, or Alexa comes to feel that Fran is correct --she feels subsumed by the relationship, into Jay. Is that it?

Thanks for the feedback richy. The break-up is a gradual culmination of things, but I wanted it to feel quite sudden. Then, if you look back at the preceding scenes, you should be able to pick out the little 'moments' that give you clues as to why it happened: the first scene, the play, shows that Jay feels Alexa was unsure about how to properly commit; the scene with the book shows that Alexa resents Jay pushing her; the scene with Casper and Jay (and the dinner party scene) shows that their intimacy has forced everything else out of their lives; and then the scene with Fran shows that they feel she's compromising too much of herself.

So I wanted the clues to be there, but I didn't want the reasons to be clearcut (hence the reason it's important not to hear Alexa's end of that fatal phonecall). To an extend, I'm trying to imitate the realities of relationships here- how often do we completely understand why things end? Doesn't it always seem to be the case that tiny little things add up, and you can never be sure what was the trigger or the bullet? So I wanted it to be a kind of brutal end- not inexplicable, but not fully understandable.

I don't know whether any of that makes sense! If it doesn't, then you're definitely right and I should go back and make that clearer.

So far, there's been a lot of dialogue. It's not such a bad thing, as your dialogue is very sharp and witty. There's some nice comedic touches in there. But, at this point, there's not been much of a plot. It's very much boy-meets-girl.... and that's it. I can't judge just yet, as I don't know what comes next, but this may be a bit of a slow start for some.

Thanks for reading! I'm going to be honest- it doesn't get much more exciting. I'm not trying to write a standard rom-com, with set-pieces and extended jokes. So the entirety of their relationship is being expressed through little snippets of conversation. It's pretty much all dialogue- it has a plot, yes, but the plot is driven by boy-meets-girl, boy-loses-girl. The plot, in itself, is definitely not trying to reinvent the wheel.

Anyhow, I definitely take onboard what you're saying. It's the sort of thing that I would expect to hear, because I knew, as I wrote it, that the script was, in places, too flighty and episodic. After you've finished it, I'd be really keen to hear if there are places where you felt like you wanted the narrative to progress in a straighter line, or where you thought that some sort of action would break up the dialogue. I can always throw in a sex scene ;)
 
Sounds good, Nick. I think I'm onboard, for whatever that's worth, with what you've done. I like that it's not just another standard rom-com. The way it is, it's more poetic, or, as you say, flighty and episodic. It is awfully Jaycentric, almost like a first person perspective short story. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, not at all. Like you say, it's like life. Aren't we all living our own first person perspective stories? I'm guessing a Hollywood studio would say, okay, wait a minute, you have to add this, this, and that to make it fit the usual formula. But this is independent filmmaking, and that's a lovely thing about independent filmmaking: you can make a nonstandard rom-com, and up the usual formula. Vive la différence! =)
 
4. The Library scene

Thanks for your input!

I have to say that, for me, the library is the most passive aggressive place I know. I spend 5 or 6 hours a day there, and yet I don't know the names of any of the people who work nearby. There's just a gang of us who come, sit down, work, and then leave, without saying a word. If I see someone sniffing, I throw them a dirty look, but I've NEVER actually said anything to anyone. It's a weird world, but I think it sort of revolves around silent judgments.

Sounds good, Nick. I think I'm onboard, for whatever that's worth, with what you've done. I like that it's not just another standard rom-com. The way it is, it's more poetic, or, as you say, flighty and episodic. It is awfully Jaycentric, almost like a first person perspective short story. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, not at all. Like you say, it's like life. Aren't we all living our own first person perspective stories? I'm guessing a Hollywood studio would say, okay, wait a minute, you have to add this, this, and that to make it fit the usual formula. But this is independent filmmaking, and that's a lovely thing about independent filmmaking: you can make a nonstandard rom-com, and up the usual formula. Vive la différence! =)

You raise a point which is of slight concern to me.

Is it too Jaycentric? I was aware that the story is, essentially, Jay's, as that's the plot unravels and the framing device is designed to make that sort of deconstruction inevitable. But I wanted to have quite a bit of balance- I didn't want Alexa just to be some girl that he falls in love with and then suddenly she's being a bitch and they break up. I wanted to open Alexa up enough that you can sympathise and understand her as an independent character.

If it's too Jaycentric then the answer is for me to think about supplementing Alexa's scene's without Jay, something that wouldn't be too difficult but might give a better insight into her psyche.

As always, thanks for reading :)
 
I think it being Jaycentric fits your stated goal.

Now that you mention it, I did sort of feel like Alexa was rather two-dimensional, unheard, or perhaps not as fleshed out as we -might- normally like. However, you have explained well why that is right for what you mean to do.

Her sub storyline goes something like this...

(I do this as a kind of exercise to try to wrap my brain around the story, maybe get a better view of it. I might be being too selective or leaving too much out. But here goes.)

Alexa. She's smart and clever. A little combative, almost condescending, but just enough for us to find that alluring. After a little friendly jousting, the chemistry seems to click well enough, so we go to bed with her that night.

Now we're a couple.

She's slightly, but understandably, bitchy with Jay when he gets too pushy about a book that he really wants her to read.

Their friends, annoyingly so, I would say, express their annoyance at Jay and Alexa's courtship behavior.

Ah, but, I always need to remind myself that the lives of fictional characters cannot be easy going like I like real life to be, because drama requires conflict, otherwise nothing much happens. So films require conflict. Each scene requires conflict, they say, or a change of some sort.

Her friend, Fran, expresses her dissatisfaction with Alexa's and Jay's relationship. Fran says that she's not happy with the change in Alexa's personality since being involved with Jay. She says that Alexa comprises too much for the relationship, while Jay doesn't compromise enough, or at all. In response, Alexa merely states that she's in love with Jay. It's unclear, but the implication may be that she agrees, but is okay with that because she loves him.

She seems to have a healthy sex life with Jay, with no indication that she is dissatisfied on that front.

Alexa appears to become more and more insular, less social. She'd rather just stay in with Jay rather than go out.

She breaks it off with Jay.

She becomes jealous and makes an ugly scene when she finds Jay is already dating another woman.

She makes a pass at a Red Cross volunteer.

I appreciate that you often include a non-negative, human portrayal of queer folk in your stories. You're like Kevin Smith that way. But here's where I'll confess that I'm not so sure about the inclusion of this scene. I'm not sure why. I think that why it might feel a bit wobbly is that it is not Jaycentric. That is to say, if we embrace the Jaycentricness of the screenplay up until this point, it sort of comes out of left field. Then again, within that context of Jaycentricness, it might be a brilliant stroke, as this may be the post-Jay-and-Alexa-world; something fundamental has changed. Maybe the world is no longer Jaycentric?

She goes to see the performance of Jay's play. She seems possibly interested in or open to restarting a relationship with Jay.


Okay, just perusing the scene again, the scene in which Casper lambasts Jay for being one in a "weird amorphous coupling," which, by the way, I thought was ugly and unreasonable of Casper, has me seeing that in a new light. At first I was thinking, what if you added that to one of Jay and Alexa's scenes, and had Jay, though more gently so, prodding Alexa with those sorts of...observations. But no. I think I see now how it may be Casper who is doing the heavy lifting for the story. Maybe Casper is in fact spelling out for us why Alexa leaves Jay. Strangely, maybe Casper is speaking for Alexa? Yeah.

I was also reminded of one example in a film, Synecdoche, New York, in which a poor husband (Philip Seymour Hoffman) is abruptly, it seems, dumped by his wife (Catherine Keener). I only watched it the one time, and the fact is that I "couldn't" finish watching it. But the breakup blindsides him, if I remember correctly. So wanting to portray this kind of ambiguous end to a relationship is not unprecedented, and I'm sure quite natural.

One thing about the story that sticks in my craw is this, which is certainly not to knock it; I'm simply describing an emotional and intellectual response. The friends, Fran and Casper, are almost, or perhaps actually, villains. In a sense, Jay and Alexa are their own enemies, as well.

Young people have their friends. Eventually, they meet someone of the opposite (usually) sex, that interests them. They begin to court. During this courtship behavior, it is perfectly natural for and should be expected that their friends and others become peripheral. If the courtship is successful, they copulate, reproduce, and then spend most of their time rearing their offspring. Our primate ancestors have been doing this for eons. Well, maybe not for eons, but at least since reproducing pairs have taken on the nurturing of their young for extended periods, as humans do. Of course, not so long ago, people lived in extended families, and the care of the young didn't rest -often times, nowadays- almost exclusively on the pair.

Understandably, all of these young people, Alexa, Jay, Casper, and Fran, are the products of the twenty-first century. They quite possibly have no intention of following the patterns that their biology and their genes drive them to follow. That's as valid as the alternative. But they are bucking up against the natural behavior of human beings, despite what Fran and Casper seem to assume to the contrary.

This does annoy me about their friends.

So, none of this is important to your story, and properly so, I'm sure. But I might still ask, do you mean to say anything about this? Or should it be obvious to me? Are your characters conscious of these things? Is it implicit that young people today (and probably yesterday, as well), expect to find relationships without personal compromise, without having to sacrifice time spent with their other, nonromantic friendships, and therefore extraneous to your story?

Hehheh, just in case, this is certainly not meant to be interrogative. Or maybe it is. I just got into thinking about it. I do not mean to try to cloud things, or to distract you from what is important to the story.
 
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Thanks for that Richy, that's an awful lot for me to consider.

You raise a lot of good points there. Heavy Lifting is not the story of Casper and Fran, so, from that perspective, every time they appear it's a self-conscious intrusion into the principal narrative. Their purpose is to offer us an articulation of parts of the relationship experience which go unsaid when you're with the other person. Perhaps they come across as being brutal, or selfish, but really their purpose it to flesh out the subtext of Jay and Alexa's interactions. And then, as the story develops, and they become a 'couple', they give that glimpse or what could have been... or, perhaps, they show that it's not simply a case of clicking (as Jay and Alexa do) but of compromising and grafting (as Casper and Fran do). But I don't want them to be TOO antagonistic, so perhaps I'll go back and write the characters in a slightly fuller way, so that their actions are more understandable.

I want the film to have a sort of forensic appeal. There are breadcrumbs throughout the whole thing that explain where things went wrong, but I feel like it's more interesting (not to mention, more subtle) if we avoid being definitive about things. So, you're right: Casper is speaking for Alexa, and likewise Fran is expressing things that are coming from the depths of the Jalexa relationship. And those moments form part of the broader picture about why it doesn't work out for Jay and Alexa.

As the story currently works, Alexa is the character with the more complex emotions. She's the character who makes the more significant change, for better or for worse. So I don't want her to come across as two-dimensional, she's someone whose behaviour is symptomatic of a deeper unhappiness/confusion than Jay is capable of.

The reason why Jay comes across as more developed, as a character, is (somewhat obviously) because Jay, as a person, is very close to me, and I find it quite easy to write myself as a character (or, at least, write my idea of myself). So I'm definitely going to go back, with the second draft, and devote more time and attention to developing Alexa and trying to make her version of the story as involving as Jay's.

Thanks for your comments Richy, they've given me a lot to think about :)
 
I'm sure I misspoke when I described Alexa as somewhat two-dimensional because when you say she's more emotionally complex than Jay could be I can totally get that.

Jalexa!

My pleasure. I only hope that they do no harm, at least. =)
 
Ok, so I just got round to finishing this off.

First of all, I enjoyed it. Your characters are very believable. Their interactions are realistic and provide some very entertaining dialogue exchanges.

As far as being too Jay-centric - I don't think it is. The first act is from Jays perspective; so it feels like it's his story. But as soon as act two begins, with Alexa on her own, the perspective changes to hers. Bringing out Fran and Casper during this act feels like a good move too (I must say though, I'm not a fan of Casper, and he does feel hugely antagonistic, especially after he sleeps with Fran). The whole thing then evens out and the balance becomes much more evenly distrbuted between the characters.

The pacing is good. As I said before, its very dialogue heavy, which may put some people off. The ending off act one feels very right.

This is some good work, Nick. If you've got anything specific you want an opinion on, just say, I'm sure we'll try andhelp out.
 
Ok, so I just got round to finishing this off.

First of all, I enjoyed it. Your characters are very believable. Their interactions are realistic and provide some very entertaining dialogue exchanges.

As far as being too Jay-centric - I don't think it is. The first act is from Jays perspective; so it feels like it's his story. But as soon as act two begins, with Alexa on her own, the perspective changes to hers. Bringing out Fran and Casper during this act feels like a good move too (I must say though, I'm not a fan of Casper, and he does feel hugely antagonistic, especially after he sleeps with Fran). The whole thing then evens out and the balance becomes much more evenly distrbuted between the characters.

The pacing is good. As I said before, its very dialogue heavy, which may put some people off. The ending off act one feels very right.

This is some good work, Nick. If you've got anything specific you want an opinion on, just say, I'm sure we'll try andhelp out.

Hey m_h, don't why it's taken me so long to reply! Thanks for reading.

Thanks for your feedback- I'm very easily flattered, so I'm glad you mostly enjoyed it.

I like the way that you broke down the ideas of perspective- that was something I hadn't really acknowledged but which makes total sense. I opened Act Two with Alexa on her own because I wanted to introduce the idea of them being preoccupied by one another, even when they're apart. So we see her, seemingly alone and deep in thought, and then realise that she's just waiting for Jay. It's also a foreboding of some of the troubles that will enter their relationship, and sets Act Two up as having a darker tone than the opening.

That said, the idea of the shift in perspective is a fascinating one and definitely something I'll look at. I'll probably have a tinker with a few scenes to make that clearer.

re:Casper being too antagonistic- I'm glad that you and Richy have pointed this out to me, because it's unintentional. I don't mind if Casper is a harder to like character, in a way that'll help people appreciate Jay, but I didn't intend for him to be and out and out antagonist. He reacts, slightly selfishly, but like most of us probably have, at one point or another, when you feel like you're losing a friend.

And, for those who are interested, I wrote a blog post about what I was trying to do with the structure of 'Heavy Lifting': http://www.fromframeone.com/2013/09/the-undisciplined-three-act-structure.html
 
Great blog post, Nick. Interesting and educational for me. I appreciate your explanation of the origins of the three act structure and what it means, and why it is. Also, what it means for your screenplay.
 
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