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Should I make these changes according to what a writing consultant said?

I sent my screenplay to a writing consultant and he gave me several pointers of things to change, and there were three particular things that stuck out me.

1. There is a scene where a deposition is going on and a defense attorney is asking a witness questions pertaining to his case, in front of the prosecutor, and other characters connected to the case. Later it is revealed to the reader that the defense attorney and the witness are in collusion together with their own plan to defraud the whole case, so to speak. But he said that the deposition scene is not necessary. It is true that the story makes sense without it. However, I thought that it may add to the twist. Basically the reader sees it and thinks that the defense attorney is meeting the witness for the first time and is asking her questions did not know before. Then you find out that he did know, or have a strong idea, and it was just for show. But he says that the twist will make sense when revealed without that scene, prior. Which is true.

I feel that the scene assists the twists and makes it more of a surprise possibly. It's kind of like how in a movie like A Perfect Getaway for example, there is a scene where the husband and wife couple are talking about two serial killers on the loose and they say that they were picked up by a security camera. They then look at the security camera picture but cannot recognize them with the low video quality. The wife says to the husband, "they could be anybody". Later the audience finds out, that the couple are the killers and they were talking about themselves. They were worried about being recognized. Even though they could have cut this scene, and the twist still would have made sense, it adds to the twist, by making it more of a surprise for later I feel. That is what I was trying to do, unless I did it wrong perhaps, by having a deposition scene to assist in the twist for later?


2. The main character is out for revenge. He tries to get on the villain but fails and an innocent person is killed. He then learns that revenge is wrong and violence begets violence, and he decides to stop the errors of his ways. Then later when things get real bad, he goes full force into revenge mode and gets it, not caring about anything more. The consultant said that there is no point in a character going 180 degrees in learning a lesson, then going back to full 360 again.

Another example, is the main character leaves his gf, and then takes her back later, when he realizes it was wrong to leave her. But he says it was unnecessary because what's the point of going 180, only to come back 360 again, if that makes sense. I am going by what he says.


3. There is a character who is a corrupt cop working for the gang of criminals. He says that it's way too unlikely that a gang would recruit a cop into their organization. He also says that it's too big of a coincidence that that same cop, happens to work in the same precinct as the main character. He also said that the cop is an unnessary character that is in the story for too long. He starts out there from the beginning and is killed in the at the start of the 3rd act, which creates a series of consequences that build into the ending I want. However, he says I can get to those consequences in the other ways. He says that plotwise, the corrupt cop is only necessary for the first act, because of what he does that is important for the rest of the story. After that I should have the corrupt cop just leave. Not have him get killed, or have him leave the country or anything. I should have him just leave the story as in no more scenes with him and he is completely forgotten about, after the first act. If he outlives his necessity to the plot, then I should just have no more scenes with him from there forward, and the reader will be okay with that because lots of characters leave stories after the first act or second, if they are not necessary anymore.

However, since this is a corrupt cop who is a mole in the same precinct, are readers going to wonder too much what happened to him? Are they really going to be okay with that? Will they wonder if he got caught or just went free for the rest of his life, and does care? What do you think? Thanks for your input, I appreciate it .
 
Take a writing course.
And a course about human emotions logic.
Hire a coach to help filter your view of the world.
Follow a workshop 'How to make my own decisions in life'.

About the revenge, monk, revenge 'twist'.
Couldn't that be the 'darkest hour moment' of the script, where everything seems lost and the main character is regretting how everything turned out: the moment he wants to give up?
It will be different than it is now, not like 180-360, but, when well done, emotionally deeper than becoming a saint due to his insights.

BTW,
I'm serious about the writing course.
It seems like you are hiring consultants to review your writings, but you haven't really learned yet how to write. Despite all the time you spent on writing. A course where you come together with a group every week or month to learn and discuss homework, might be just what you need. (Instead of interpreting random quotes from screenwriting books and trying to implement plot/script elements from famous movies in a defect story.)
 
I sent my screenplay to a writing consultant and he gave me several pointers of things to change, and there were three particular things that stuck out me.
They are electrons. Make a copy of your script and make the changes. What do you have to lose?

What do you think? Thanks for your input, I appreciate it .
Since the consultant has read the script and we haven't, our input is worth the electrons they're written on. On the whole it seems like sound advice since you've been wrestling with shortening your script.

1. ... he says that the twist will make sense when revealed without that scene, prior. Which is true.

2. The consultant said that there is no point in a character going 180 degrees in learning a lesson, then going back to full 360 again.

3. He also said that the cop is an unnessary character that is in the story for too long. ... he says I can get to those consequences in the other ways. ... If he outlives his necessity to the plot, then I should just have no more scenes with him from there forward, and the reader will be okay with that because lots of characters leave stories after the first act or second, if they are not necessary anymore.
If (1) is true, then implement it to reduce your page count.
(2) is also true.
(3) may be true but without reading the story, it's hard to say. If a main or supporting character leaves, there needs to be some closure. A featured character doesn't. Without reading your script, it's hard to say what the cop's status is. However, I would suggest given the consultant was right on the first two, your cop is just a featured role not relevant himself but only in events he starts. He can be removed without too much consequence.

Since they have read your story, they can give you solid advice. Try it out and see where it leads.
 
Okay thanks. I took a writing course almost two years ago, and I tried to do my best to follow it.

The reason why I was hesitant to follow the consultant's advice is that he seems to be telling me to break the rules.

I mean usually most movies will foreshadow their twists, and he is telling me to remove the little foreshadowing there is.

I also do not ever recall seeing a movie where they would introduce a character who plays a role in the plot, but then once his role is over, he is never seen again. Usually such a character would need to either leave the setting of the story, or get killed. But in my case I cannot have him get killed, because he says it's not necessary. So he cannot even leave with an explanation, which I do not recall ever seeing before in a story.

As far as the main character changing his mind about how he feels about his goal, and then changing it back again, coming around full 360, I see this all the time in fiction. In Casino Royale for example, James Bond decides to leave his job, for the woman he loves. But then when she is killed, he goes back to the job. In Breaking Bad, Walt decides to leave the drug business to get his family back. But then when he is made a much better offer, he decides to go back.

I just see this all the time really, and I feel like by being told it's a bad thing, it goes against what most fiction seems to do. So that's why I was reluctant. But I will make the changes.
 
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