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Help me Classify these films

Hey,
Is it possible to classify these movies using How to save cat by Blake Snyder.

a) Crash (1996) by Cronenberg
b) Videodrome by Cronenberg
c) Eraserhead by David Lynch
d) Fountain by Darren Aronofosky.

You got 10 genres

* Monster in the House
* Golden Fleece
* Out of the Bottle
* Dude with a Problem
* Rites of Passage
* Buddy Love
* Whydunnit
* Fool Triumphant
* Institutionalized
* Superhero

Thanks a lot
 
I think you'll have better success on the Save the Cat forum. They have their own version of Indietalk, though it's considerably less active, and dedicated strictly to Snider-ology. However, for your specific inquiry, I think you'll get some good responses over there. I think most people on Indietalk don't know about Snyder's 10 genres, and merely listing them doesn't sufficiently explain it.
 
@crackerfunk oh alrite...i didnt know about their forum..i'll post it there i guess..
on a slightly unrelated note..i do know that u have read how to save the cat..just wondering what s your take on "screw memento" thingie... i thot he came across as a bitter old man there... not to say i dont like the book or his theories helpful...

@indietalk.. indietalk is the bestest forum in the whole wide world.. *can i get a cheap pop??*
 
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Oh, man, I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings! Indietalk is the best, and I mean that!

I'm just saying that for a question so specific, you might wanna go to the specialists.

eraserhead, I love "Memento". It's an awesome movie, and the narrative works perfectly for me. I learned a heck of a lot from Snyder's books, and implimenting his ideas definitely made my first feature production better than it would have been without. That being said, I'm not a die-hard (most of the people on the forum I've suggested you check out are definitely die-hard Snyder-ologists). I think it's great to take in the best of his wisdom, and use it for what it's worth, but it ain't always "right". "Memento" is badass.

Also, it's nice to see another Save the Cat disciple on this forum. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a few of us. Cheers.
 
Crash, Videodrome and Eraserhead are movies
I truly, deeply admire and love. Why would
anyone what to "classify" them at all?

Now I admit to knowing nothing about Blake
Snyder other than what I read on messageboards.
Does he really have a classification for all movies?
Is that somehow important? I'm not being
argumentative, I'm really curious. If you know, for
example, that I thought Eraserhead was " Dude
with a Problem" and "Monster in the House" would
that help you understand anything about that movie?
Does classifying a movie offer any personal insight?
What DOES classifying a movie (especially these
movies) do?
 
The reason why I asked about classifying these movies was to see if such "mindfuckeries" also follow snyder's 15 beats outline or not.
As a "newbie" snyder's sheet helps a lot in fleshing out ideas and giving it form. However I find myself writing more n more stuff that can be related to aforementioned movies (obv not that good) than say, classic hollywood style linear narrative.
So I thought maybe I can apply the beats even when I'm writing something on the lines of eraserhead or videodrome.

Btw, I forgot to add Naked Lunch to the list. Cronenberg is WOW!!

Long Live the new Flesh!!
 
Crash, Videodrome and Eraserhead are movies
I truly, deeply admire and love. Why would
anyone what to "classify" them at all?

Now I admit to knowing nothing about Blake
Snyder other than what I read on messageboards.
Does he really have a classification for all movies?
Is that somehow important? I'm not being
argumentative, I'm really curious. If you know, for
example, that I thought Eraserhead was " Dude
with a Problem" and "Monster in the House" would
that help you understand anything about that movie?
Does classifying a movie offer any personal insight?
What DOES classifying a movie (especially these
movies) do?

Snyder has a system that he instructs all of his followers
put their screenplays through. There are a certain number of beats
that need to be hit, in particular order, and each beat has a
specific purpose. Just to give you an easy example, one of his beats
is "theme stated" -- Snyder says that within the first ten pages of the
screenplay, somebody needs to literally state the theme, out loud.

As far as genres are concerned (and this is one of Snyder's arguments
that I'm not really sold on), every movie that has ever been made can
be fit into one of his genres. But these aren't genres the way that they are
typically discussed in colloqual everyday language. Like, Snyder's genres don't
include Western, or Sci-Fi, or whatever. No, his genres deal with what type of
story is being told -- insofar as what is happening to our hero.

A few examples (out of ten total):

Monster in the House -- The name is self-explanatory -- "Alien", "Fatal Attraction"

Golden Fleece -- These are movies in which our hero must go on a journey to reach some goal -- "Star Wars", "Wizard of Oz"

Dude with a Problem -- self explanatory -- "Die Hard", "Breakdown"

These genres are important (if you follow Snyder's
screenwriting philosophy) because, as Snyder argues, you will
make the story stronger by following the conventions of that genre.
For example, with the Monster in the House genre, Snyder argues
that in order for the movie to be effective, the "house" must be a
confined space. This is why so many psycho-killer movies take place
in small rural communities -- they're isolated. In "Aliens", they're stuck on
a ship. In "Jurassic Park", they're stuck on an island.

Anyway, that's about the jist of it.

EDIT: So, to really answer your question, it's important for writing a
screenplay, but for classifying movies that have already been made,
it's more for the sake of deconstructing and analyzing (or, just for
conversation's-sake).
 
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this is what confuses me between golden fleece and dude with a problem?
is LOTR considered golden fleece or dude with a problem? cz sure it has the journey part
but then it is essentially a hobbit-dude having this mega bummer of a problem dropped on him by his stoner uncle...
 
I'd say LOTR is about as prime an example of Golden Fleece as you can imagine.

Also, I enjoyed your very accurate summary of the movie -- "it is essentially a hobbit-dude having this mega bummer of a problem dropped on him by his stoner uncle". LOL! Nevertheless, I'd say Golden Fleece.
 
Golden Fleece is all about the journey. You gotta get somewhere, and there will be difficulties along the way, but you gotta get there. That's LOTR for ya.

When writing about Dude With a Problem, Snyder emphasizes primal instincts. Ordinary guy needs to fight to save his wife from terrorists ("Die Hard"). Ordinary guy needs to project his children from invading space aliens ("War of the Worlds"). In LOTR, throwing a ring into a mountain isn't that primal driving force that's typical of DWAP movies.
 
Yea that makes sense. thanks.
btw... Frodo was more than happy pining over his gardner (middle-earth pool boy equivalent if you will) till his uncle heard of sensimilia crop being grown in rivendell and ran for it. :)
 
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