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Tarantino went to film school. Jim Jarmusch went to film school. Andrew Dominik went to film school.

Scorsese went to film school

Well, seeing as most of the people on your list have just been copying the people on my list, I think you owe everyone an apology. http://artfulwriter.com/?p=1062

So, it's a mystery to me why anyone would listen to what he's got to say over what real filmmakers have got to say. And I bet no one on either of those lists has ever even heard of Blake Snyder. The save the cat craze is an internet wannabee thing.

You're obviously really into internet arguing. Anyway, the fact is, neither of us has Blake Snyder on our lists.

Coppola, Spielberg, Lynch, Lucas, Wenders, Antonioni, Bieniex, Tarkovsky, Tati, Greenaway, you know, uhm, the masters.

And there's absolutely no sanity to dumping on film school. All of the masters went to film school.

See. The typical response of the devotee. And I didn't say "structure" was crap. I said formula was crap. You seem to be suggesting that all stucture is formula. And now, look, see, you got what you wanted, to suck me in as an example of why Snyder is so great. This is intenet madness.

wow, they're pulling out the big guns. I can name a ton of movies not written to that formula. How about, uhm, hang on, I'm going to draw from great American Indie for this, Eraserhead. And I should be allowed to ask, has anyone here been to film school?

Imposing a structure template will only ever be to the detriment of a story. A good story already has its own structure. The way it needs to be told. I mean, I could tell you the story about the 12 year old boy who got drunk at a party and vomited up three act structure, but that would be the...

Oh, right, you'll stop the name calling when I surrender. How to make a screenwriter feel sick. By Blake Snyder. And, how to enforce this sickness, by Anonymous Internetties.

And now they're resorting to calling me a troll. Intimidation tactics. All because I'm not a believer. Devo-tea anyone. Man. You know, to the sane screenwriter, these templates are like a straightjacket.

Hollywood only knows what it wants after someone makes a dollar out of something nobody wanted. ha ha. And then they rehash it till it's dead.

I've never even heard of a Blake Snyder film, so, it seems a bit unnatural that he should be a guru to thousands of developing writers. I would have thought that was obvious. This is some book that's gone viral. I wonder how films were written before he wrote his book. And the tactics they...

oh, man, the scribosphere is overrun by unsold and aggressive save the cat devotees. That's all there is to it. I think it's because they've gone down that road, and failed, and now have no way to return. I don't know, I haven't seen that dragon movie. Was it a kids movie, cos they can get...

I think it just puts a lot of destructive noise between your ears. And all of this rubbish about "what hollywood wants", it's just the internet feeding your insecurities. And new writers are gullible, and vulnerable, and they listen to that crap. Every story should have it's own process. Or...

I'm more a fan of "save yourself", which you can do by not reading save the cat. Ultimately, the originality in this story may come from what causes him to be able to do these things, and what the outcome is.

yea, about that tea. What's happened to this place. Indietalk is now encouraging the following of hollywood formula. Oh, that's just great. Yea, let's dum down indie as well.

yea, well, but, maybe its ok to decide for yourself where the beginning,. and the end and the middle are, in relation to each other. If it's structured to formula it's not a story. It's... um.... tripe,

It's not a story unless it has its own structure