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Haha finally you've responded, I always love hearing from you man! Yes, but it should always be the look in motion, I don't know why people analyze mise-en-scene with stills if they are implying that it's the most cinematic element. But even ignoring this fact, why don't we just call it...

But filmmakers do make conscious decisions about how they want the film to sound or the story they are telling before they are recording it. Many also take editing into account as well. And camera angles are most definitely part of mise-en-scene in almost any standard definition because it...

Yeah it isn't a huge problem, but the term was never really useful as Godard himself suggested!

Haha I'm not a film school student though haha, and I only recently started taking more academic film courses but I've been thinking about this for a while since I always found the word to be vague, insufficient, and confusing. Well I can agree that it matters only as much as it matters to the...

Yes there are many different perspectives, but the problem with "mise-en-scene" for me is that it tries to look at a "whole" that isn't really a whole. It's possible that there may be a medium range in which one doesn't analyze the whole picture with everything behind it or each individual...

Haha first of all I'd like to mention, I was purposely writing in the way the people who made up this term did in the first place. Umm, well analyzing off-screen space and story is extremely important when analyzing a film! Off-screen space should especially be relevant when discussing the...

Yes I agree, especially in the larger scale productions made by Hollywood filmmakers we are starting to see something so different that it is almost changing the nature of the medium which was once primarily photographic, now filmmakers are able to create new worlds, fix mistakes digitally, and...

:yes: And I think that it's too vague because it essentially was made to support Cahiers du cinema's polemic which in itself was quite vague as academic discussion about cinema wasn't very developed at the time.

Today during a recitation on my Intro to Cinema Studies course, we started discussing the term "mise-en-scène" and I started to question whether this term was valuable at all to filmmaking or to critical discussion of cinema. I am making the type of thread which I usually hate, which takes a...

Sorry for taking such a long time to reply, this is such an interesting discussion but I have been very very busy recently! Ah okay, then I think we agree on this point. And I would add that it is dangerous for aspiring filmmakers to not know these differences because then they might end up...

A Summer At Grandpa's directed by Hou Hsiao-hsien - 10/10 Definitely one of the best and most charming films I have seen. Here Hou continues to mature as a filmmaker by essentially developing his main themes and concerns while still maintaining a less rigorous form and style. The film just has...

Thanks for re-stating my feelings about this film!

Citizen Kane directed by Orson Welles - 10/10 What do you know, the first film we're supposed to properly study in my first Cinema Studies course is Citizen Kane but I'm not complaining. I saw this film already when I was 16, and unfortunately I knew very little about aspect ratios back then so...

Okay, now I really understand your point. But I think that these lesser technologies/specifications are important for aspiring filmmakers to begin practicing before they even have the resources to make 'real cinema.' But yes, I mean, I have made hundreds of videos and a few of them are made in...

I just think that they are both films. On one hand there are amateur/student films which really aren't meant to for proper presentation and distribution, I think they are still films just not films that would appeal to any general audience member. These kind of films can be made for classes...

As much as you love this movie, the only film that deserves this score is This Is Spinal Tap! :P

Okay I think I can agree with this, but I think that they are two separate kinds of usages of the terms and we've been mixing them up. I definitely agree that we need to distinguish the more polished professional films from the amateur films. At the same time, I'd like to point out that there...

I can agree with this, especially since different films are made for different reasons. The films that Hollywood makes do not interest me as much as the ones they did in the past, but that is because they are aiming at something else. And actually that is why I always make sure to mention that...

I feel like a lot of what you say, you just assert because it's what you believe when there are people with different opinions including myself! And I can't believe that you're denying that the word film can be used one way or another, just look at any dictionary and the usage of the word every...

The thing that I really hate is that you make this seem so clear cut, as if there isn't a debate about it. As a matter of fact, my own teacher just complained about someone who has very similar opinions to you because it really isn't a relevant discussion, it really is just one word that can be...